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General Discussion / Re: Undercover Angels on BYUTV
« on: Today at 12:00:39 PM »
Great idea, if it worked.

General Discussion / Re: NCIF and MacGyver tonight
« on: Today at 11:57:25 AM »
Hubby joined at the very end of the Vietnam era. We did not get much slack, at least not till we got to Norfolk,  VA. Huge bases there, but everywhere were signs in peoples yards saying ......
Sailors and dogs keep off.
This went on for years.......till the Navy threatened to move the Navy completely out of Norfolk!

General Discussion / Re: General Discussion Topics
« on: Today at 11:53:32 AM »


Had a good trip to Boise last night. Picked up our ceiling fan and light kit. Now hubby has to make an appointment with the electrician to install it, because he has to run electrical wiring waaaaay up there, doing it from a crawl space in the ceiling. Don't really have an attic.
Then we had dinner at Marie Callender's in Boise. Which was good, because we did not want to get stuck getting out of Boise during rush hour!
Now today it is raining and very overcast! Glad I got all my stuff done yesterday when it was sunny and nice.
ANYWHO....hope you all have a great day today.

General Discussion / Re: Quilters new Shower
« on: March 28, 2017, 02:18:48 PM »
It turned out really nice...... ♥

John Denver Stories / Re: B-Sides of Rare Singles
« on: March 28, 2017, 12:22:19 PM »
Awesome JD Expert! :)

Nice to see you Taylor B. And that was a great question!

General Discussion / Re: Pam Smart
« on: March 28, 2017, 12:20:08 PM »
Agreed, Quilter!

General Discussion / Re: REELZ to air 2 programs on John Denver
« on: March 28, 2017, 12:18:44 PM »
You are both welcome. I like it when you folks know so much and I can learn.  :)

General Discussion / Re: General Discussion Topics
« on: March 28, 2017, 12:17:07 PM »


Well, I was not going to be doing much today. And going shopping tomorrow. But Mom had four prescriptions that need to be picked up and she needs some yogurt and cat food. So I went shopping this morning.
I also had to pick up something that got shipped to the vet. I forgot to change my "ship to" address to my home! I ordered that Sherpa soft carrier for Ginger.
Got those done. Had a doughnut and tea with Mom and Dad.....she's doing better. Even thinking about going with me Thursday to get her haircut.
Got home, and finished cleaning and pruning all the dead stuff from the FRONT flower beds.
Don't even need to cook supper, as hubby said our new ceiling fan is in, and we need to go pick it up. So we'll eat down in Boise.
Hope you all are having a fabulous day.

General Discussion / Quilters new Shower
« on: March 28, 2017, 12:12:01 PM »
Betsey has sent me the finished photos of her new 'easy handicap shower'.....
I have to say, it is GORGEOUS! I love the color choices! ♥ (And the Moose shower curtain)  ;D

General Discussion / Re: Hardy Kruger
« on: March 27, 2017, 12:00:27 PM »
LMAO Knew that would get you! ;D
Yes, I'm kidding......Hardy was way more handsome! ♥

General Discussion / Re: REELZ to air 2 programs on John Denver
« on: March 27, 2017, 11:57:11 AM »
REELZ is channel 238 on DirectTV or channel 299 on DISH Network.

Unfortunately, I don't have either of those. But I looked to see if I could find those shows on maybe Hulu or Vudu.....but no such luck. :(

Quilter......I hope Dan weighs in on this, BUT...I believe this is the comments he was mentioning. About 3/4 down the page.

Read this with extreme trepidation.

1. Johns medical was revoked by the FAA because of his two D.U.I. convictions. John should have not been in that airplane at all! Period!
The guy to see him alive last knew this because it was public knowledge, should have done something about it and keep John on the ground. What should he have done, you ask? Informed the tower and the FAA. The tower would have refused him clearance to take off which they should have in the first place. Again, his medical was revoked was public knowledge. You need a medical to legally fly in FAA controlled airspace. Period!
John's medical being revoke was on national news AND the evening T.V. news programs like Entertainment Tonight.
If the FAA knew he was in the air without another legal pilot on board, John would have been arrested when he landed, on the spot.

Also, I feel those two (tower and ground control guy) of the four people are just as responsible in his unnecessary death. The other two are the builder of the plane and the former owner are just as much to blame. I don't remember if the former owner was the builder on not, I can't remember. The builder did not locate the fuel selector in a convenient place, thus endangering the PIC. I hope the builder was sued for his stupidity!

2. A good, responsible pilot would never fly an unknown aircraft alone with just one hour of flight time and it was duel instruction flight time. I know he was not PIC (Pilot In Command) of that flight, so he could not legally log the flight. He would get a minimum of either 5 or 10 hours duel flight time with a qualified instructor. John was not an instructor or qualified to instruct.

3. A good, responsible pilot would never leave an air traffic control pattern with less that half full fuel tanks.
Your inviting an accident or incident and a pilot is trained to avoid this kind of trouble. John was asked if he wanted to top off his tanks before his flight, but he refused. That decision cost him his life.

4. A good, responsible pilot would never leave an airplanes gas tanks half empty due to condensation(water) A pilot should fill his gas tank right after a flight to reduce condensation forming in the tank. Water is an engine killer. A pilot killer too!

5. The only way to get a plane from point A to point B and that you are not legal fly is to get a ferry permit. The FAA issues said permits and they would not issue John one if he asked, because of his medical.

John was a good, responsible pilot until that day. I don't know what was on his mind on that day, nobody does, except that he was totally illegal flying said plane and he knew it. He had far too many hours not to know. He knew the FAA would catch up to him after that flight because each and every flight is logged at a controlled airport. His crash showed the FAA his POO.(Point Of Origin).
John had many ratings(sign offs to fly certain types of aircraft) and knew too damn well that he should not have been in that plane.
Unfortunately, he realized his mistake too late.
His father trained him to fly the Lear Jet doing things you should not do in a Lear Jet. That's the mark of a great instructor!
had his father lived, he would have kicked his a$$.
Pilot and plane safety is a pilots utmost priority! 'nuff said!
You DO NOT FLY otherwise.

I mean no disrespect to John or his family but you might understand why I feel this way about his unnecessary death.

Godspeed John Denver and Thank You for being in my life.

The back story I forgot until today.

In the summer of 1998, this same scenario was repeated here in Manchester/Boston airport when a BAE Hawker Hunter jet crashed on it's first flight after being reassembled. It took over twelve years to assemble it and I knew John knew about it's being here. The owner of the FBO, and the jet, Ed Stead and John were acquainted and John was invited to watch the maiden flight and was promised a ride in the jet. The test pilot was killed for running out of gas and overshooting the runway. It brought back memories of John's accident.
Ed Stead, FBO and Hunter owner, lost his business and family shortly after the crash. The pilots family sued and won a lawsuit for wrongful death suit against Stead and his business. This was a great loss to the flying community and a lot of people(celebrities) do not come to the area anymore and I don't see the traffic I use to. I miss that.

The fuel control(shut off valve) was located on the upper left shoulder of the pilots seat. If you reach up over your left shoulder, you tend to stretch your right foot out, pushing the right rudder peddle to the floor. This causes the plane to roll to the right and go down, straight down. In basic aeronautics there are three axis control, up and down are one,(pitch) left and right are another,(yaw) and (roll) control is the third( wings go up or down)Banking is the other name for it, roll control. The rudder can be used for roll control and is use to to assist the ailerons to turn the plane into a different direction.
The fuel control has three functions. Off. Left tank, Right tank. John was on either tank, ran out of fuel(not paying attention to his fuel supply, a deadly mistake) Tried to switch tanks, might have forgotten where the switch was, possibly may have panicked, remember he owned and flew six plus(?) airplanes, now seven. No two planes have the selector in the same location but usually it is on the left side of the cockpit where the pilot sits. He was at low altitude, ± 500 feet(fooling around, buzzing Clint Eastwood's home) the motor quit and he forgot a golden rule; Fly the plane first! IF you have the altitude, (he didn't), find your problem! Otherwise, FLY THE PLANE FIRST! He might have survived the landing if he remembered the rule. I hate to say this and not to sound mean but this accident was in the making due to Johni's incompetents.
It was total pilot error due to not being familiar with this plane.
I'm sorry but it's the truth and sad to say the FAA's determination.

Because the fuel is in the wings, you need to change over from one wing tank to the other every two hours to balance the the plane or the plane will turn in the direction of the heavier wing. Because John didn't have enough fuel in the the tank he was flying on and have time to switch tanks at such a low altitude, he crashed. Pilot error

General Discussion / Re: General Discussion Topics
« on: March 27, 2017, 11:34:16 AM »


Well, we had a nice, productive weekend. Hubby and I went to downtown Boise on Saturday, checked out the Boise Flower and Garden show, then wandered over to the Music festival called Treefort. Needless to say, I have had my fill of people this weekend! LMAO
Sunday hubby and I tackled the yard. While I worked on cleaning out the flowerbeds and spreading some Spring fertilizer. Hubby started tearing out the snow damaged Arborvitae trees. We have 5 of them that need to come down. Sad, but they are all bend apart and broken open and they will not grow back up.It is going to take us many weekends and many trips to the recycle dump to remove those monster trees....they must be 15 feet tall at least! Just chock them up to more Winter damage. It DID rain all night, which soaked in the fertilizer and new seed I scattered.
Now, Monday it's laundry day.....and I may get outside this afternoon if it's nice and clean the front flower beds out. They are not nearly as bad. Got 3 LARGE 45 gallon black bags of debris out of the back beds!

General Discussion / Re: Powder Puff Air Race 2014.
« on: March 26, 2017, 09:14:41 AM »
That is quite the route they are to fly.  :)

General Discussion / Re: The Nina and Pinta on tour
« on: March 26, 2017, 09:12:50 AM »
Oh WOW! What a gorgeous ship! ♥
Are you going to go?

General Discussion / Re: The Gulf Breeze Incident
« on: March 26, 2017, 09:11:54 AM »
Love that sign! I'm one who believes if its my turn to see a spaceship. I will see one. I won't go looking for one though. :)

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